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#1 rpetersen

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 05:46 AM

i have a 89 Formula and every once in a while it will throw the engine light, reads back a code 43 and 21. (43- electronic spark control failure, 21- TPS too high of voltage). i have replaced the TPS and the ESC module and it just got worse, put original sensors back in place and it went back to being random.

what happends: around 2K RPM it will stall out and then trip the light. the car then runs like CRAP and will not come out of it till the car is turned off. it then clears the code and then runs fine till the next time.

i need some advice!!! any replies are helpful! thanks.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:23 AM

I cant say much about the spark code but you may well have gotten a bad TPS with the new one. I've gotten bad aftermarket replacement parts quit frequently. You may try an OEM or an adjustable TPS so you can move it to vary the voltage.

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:46 AM

that was an idea i had about the TPS. i crossed the gm number to a Standard TH39 sensor which is adjustable like you were saying. i had a scan tool on as i was installing and had it to .6 V and tightened the screws. as soon as i turned the car off and then on to ACC, the reading on the scan tool was 1.2- 1.4 V. i agree that it was probably a bad sensor to start with.

but when i put my original TPS back on it was reading within spec at .65 volts.. thats the weird part. all im coming down to is a possible tweaked ECM or maybe wiring..

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 10:35 PM

I'll bet you've got a bad ECM. This sort of random and odd ball fault is exactly what they like to do. Your ECM is one of the strongest made, but it doesn't mean it can't fail. Before replacing it though, you might try looking for shorted wire, bad output from the alternator (maybe it is throwing lots of AC--do your lights dim at idle?), maybe even a broken connection at the TPS or ECM or a corroded connection.

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:46 AM

Just installed a new alternator and starter a few weeks back. checked the wires at the TPS and ESC module they were all good. i replaced the ECM with a used one out of a caprice of the same year with the 5.0L. could be a bad wire at the ECM, since it was doing the same with the original Computer too, before it fried and had to be completely replaced...


appreciate the replies! starting to get it figure out..

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Posted 06 August 2011 - 03:01 AM

It is very possible to get a bad alternator, even though it says brand new. One of the best checks that I know of is to tune the FM radio to a very weak station with the engine off. Then turn the engine on and listen to the same station. Raise the idle slowly and listen for a hum from the speakers. If there is a hum and it rises and falls with rpm, then the alternator is bad--means it has a bad diode bridge, and that means excess alternating current flowing thru the car's electrical system.

When you find the cause of the problem, please let us know.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:22 PM

Well its been a year or so and i think im finally getting it narrowed down. I replaced a few other sensors with no change or it being worse, decided to have my ignition module checked and that passed and failed intermittently. Replaced the distributor/cap/rotor and new module and it seemed to be better. It will now trip the engine light and run great, exactly the opposite of before wacko.gif along with a new ticking sound... im going to keep checking into this new problem, im thinking it has more to do with timing and possibly wires and plugs. Ill keep everyone posted on what i find out this summer.

ps. found a TPI set up with wiring harness and computer for it. That and headers are going to be going on there once i get this electrical figured a little more.

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